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Tuesday November 20, 2012 10:44 AM
QUOTED  And I was looking at some charts and saw that, of the Presidents, Obama has spent less than any other president since like Roosevelt. Grant it, that was just his first term and spending isn't the same as borrowing, or whatever.


Yes, it's true. But, you have a lot of people who want to shout down anything that makes their opponent look good. And, yes, there are groups that look at the sitting president as their opponent even between the elections. But, they also do have a point in the spending is just the current spending; much of the costs of the health care act haven't been added to the spending.

But, to me, the more damning example of partisanship recently is the yanking of a long-term study/review of tax cuts on the upper tax rates versus the health/growth of the economy. It concluded tax cuts to the rich DO NOT help the national economy on the issues of jobs, growth, or GDP. Yet, it got removed from the non-partisan congressional office's site on the insistence of the Republican leadership as being flawed, incorrect, and partisan. Yet, this has been a major refrain by most non-Republican funded economist (as in they get grants from the Republicans for their studies, not whither economist is Republican themselves) for decades.

"Screw the facts" has become the motto of American Politics.
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Tuesday November 20, 2012 11:41 PM
Welcome to the age of the Internet: Spreading lies and half-truths at the speed of light to people who are too lazy to think for themselves.
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Wednesday November 21, 2012 12:46 AM
Unlike the earlier days when it took the speed of train. I don't think people are actually stupider or more ignorant now, or even lazier, it's just faster and easier to comment upon things for the whole world to see.

[[Edited by TheShadowlord on Wednesday November 21, 2012 3:03 PM]]
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Wednesday November 21, 2012 6:59 AM
SL, you comment is correct. AS one of the guests of Bill Maher's season finale pointed out, before the internet, every town had it's crackpot. They may have communicated via mailing lists and magazines, but in essence they were alone. With the speed and organizational tool the internet has become, these crazies have become a force to be reckoned with by the parties. The rise of the Tea Party is an example of this, so is the Occupy Movement. The difference between the two's success is having the right manipulation behind them.
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Wednesday November 21, 2012 9:54 AM
QUOTED It concluded tax cuts to the rich DO NOT help the national economy on the issues of jobs, growth, or GDP. Yet, it got removed from the non-partisan congressional office's site on the insistence of the Republican leadership as being flawed, incorrect, and partisan.


Isn't that why Obama is asking for a change in that? Isn't he asking that the rich and filthy rich pay a bit more into taxes? And, honestly, I don't see why they can't. I mean, what's 20% to a multi-billionaire? (I know. I can already hear Donald Trumps outrage of being asked that question.) But seriously. That's like pocket change for them. I mean, we have to pay 20%, sometimes even more, sometimes less. So, why can't they?

QUOTED Unlike the earlier days when I took the speed of train. I don't think people are actually stupider or more ignorant now, or even lazier, it's just faster and easier to comment upon things for the whole world to see.


QUOTED before the internet, every town had it's crackpot. They may have communicated via mailing lists and magazines, but in essence they were alone. With the speed and organizational tool the internet has become, these crazies have become a force to be reckoned with by the parties.


People still print this shit in crap journals, tabloid magazines, and newspapers. Especially during election time. If you don't see one party's spokesman on the cover of whatever journal, you'll see the other. And there's always some blaringly huge print written above their heads saying something like, "So and so said this should be the way." (It's for those old people who don't use the internet, of course.)

Then you have shit all over the television, not just on CNN, CNBC, and FOX, but many times on our local channels and once I saw something on a cable TV channel!

QUOTED The rise of the Tea Party is an example of this, so is the Occupy Movement. The difference between the two's success is having the right manipulation behind them.


I think I have a pretty good idea of what the Tea Party is all about, but I haven't heard of the Occupy Movement. Or maybe I did and just didn't know what it was. Would you mind explaining this to me? Maybe use kender-friendly terms? (Yes. I said kender-friendly. This is an RPG site and I am a Master Sage. I'm allowed.)

[[Edited by tassanaburrfoot on Wednesday November 21, 2012 9:57 AM]]
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Thursday November 22, 2012 1:07 AM
QUOTED  I think I have a pretty good idea of what the Tea Party is all about, but I haven't heard of the Occupy Movement.


Good lord, girl, I thought -I- lived under a rock... basically, the Occupy movement was started as an online plan by a bunch of people to go to Wall Street and protest the increasing gap of income between the wealthy and the rest of America, as well as the fact no action was taken against bankers who were knowingly playing fast and loose on the border of legality with other people's money. Basically, a bunch of people tired of getting screwed by the system camped out in a park in the New York financial district, which the police and people with money found deeply threatening. Occupy movements were organized in major cities throughout most of the country, and I was at the one by the Iowa capitol.

Despite the right to peaceful protest, police crackdowns were instituted across the country, turning pretty violent in most cases. I can't attest to anywhere else, but here they started whooping ass and cuffing people for no damn reason in a hurry. General assumption by tinfoil hatters like myself is that the people with the money put pressure on police forces to crack down on it fast. The reference to them not having good manipulation behind them was because despite it being a huge movement, most major media sources failed to cover Occupy or give it any credence.

If you've hear that "We are the 99%" shtick, it came from these folks. Wikipedia has more details if you're interested.
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Thursday November 22, 2012 1:27 AM
Not a rock. Sandpoint, Idaho. So... a mountain.

But I do remember hearing about this, albeit briefly. The local news shrugged it off, I believe, as inconsequential since it wasn't really "affecting" us.

It's interesting, though, and I understand the ideas and such behind it.
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Thursday November 22, 2012 6:24 PM
I don't really see why they are complaining. I mean it's not as though the US has a history of disliking that people in power keep all the money and screw over the people who actually do the hard work.
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Friday November 23, 2012 9:35 AM
Yes, you are right on that SL, but in the past, the governement at least paid lip service to the ideas of keeping it in check. In the 1950s the tax rate on anyone making money of the level of Mitt Romney (anyone making the equivalent of current $2.3 million or more a year from any source of income whatsoever) was 91%, opposed to his own estimated 14-17% last year (he refuses to the release his taxes, which is perfectly within his rights). Mr. Romney only paid that much, instead of the normal 35% because of exemptions to stock investments making most of his wealth untouchable by the IRS.

The 50's is the supposed "Best Years" according to many of the conservatives in the US. Yet, they are fighting ANY increase of their tax rate. These same folks completely ignore the huge racial and gender inequalities of this "ideal" period, too. They also forget that having to pay income taxes at all was something to brag about as it didn't START until you reached $10,001 (US 1946, or $124,008 in current values)(in other words, until relatively recently, the rich were PAYING ALL THE INCOME TAXES, not the middle class or poor).

Hopefully, the pendulum will swing back the other way soon, otherwise the rich may find themselves poor as the poor won't have enough money to buy anything the rich are trying to sell us.
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Friday November 23, 2012 6:31 PM
Preaching to the choir, Silv. I live in the godless socialist state of Norway, after all. WE have some of the same kind of problems here, even if not nearly the same degree.
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